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Roman Rausch

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I'd like to present you a new article I've been working on for a while
now. It is entitled 'Names from _The Return of the Shadow_ and _The
Treason of Isengard_' and deals exactly with that - the analysis and
interpretation of the Elvish names of places and persons which occur in
these two volumes of HoME.

Until now these books remained largely unexplored linguistically and I
have the intention to change this. Particular forms have been discussed
on the Lambengolmor mailing list and in the 'Quettaron minaþúrie'
thread on the site Aglardh and perhaps other places I don't know about.

Of course, there was much material to consider not only in the volumes
themselves, but also in sources before and after in the external
development of the Eldarin tongues; so I would be glad about the
correction of errors I surely have made.

I must say that I have not succeeded in giving interpretations to all of
the names. Still, many difficult examples became comprehensible after
some pondering. Especially the 'Addenda & Corrigenda to the
Etymologies' in vt45&46 was often of great help. But the interpretation
of names often needs many people with different ideas, so that there may
be completely different solutions others will come up with, wherefore
I'm looking forward to your comments.

The article can be found here: http://sindanoorie.atspace.com/RS&TI.htm


Rr.



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Roman Rausch

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Names from 'the Return of the Shadow' and 'the Treason of Isengard'
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2007, 05:00:00 PM »

The article has now been expanded with the names from the following
volume viii 'The War of the Ring' and I have also added additional
commentaries to some of the older entries. It has become lengthy by now,
but is hopefully still navigable.

The link is: http://sindanoorie.atspace.com/RS&TI&WR.htm or:
http://sindanorie.lima-city.de/RS&TI&WR.htm The old link now also
redirects to this updated version.

Rr.



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Names from 'the Return of the Shadow' and 'the Treason of Isengard'
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 05:00:00 PM »

Roman Rausch wrote:
>
> The article has now been expanded with the names from the following
> volume viii 'The War of the Ring' and I have also added additional
> commentaries to some of the older entries. It has become lengthy by
> now, but is hopefully still navigable.
>
> The link is: http://sindanoorie.atspace.com/RS&TI&WR.htm or:
> http://sindanorie.lima-city.de/RS&TI&WR.htm The old link now also
> redirects to this updated version.
>
> Rr.
>

Very interesting! I read the part analyzing the words from wr, and one
thing occurred to me: your analysis that _nestad_ might instead of being
from *nes could employ the prefix _ne-_ 'from 'insert' in the sense of
'insert/take medicine'' made me wonder this:

If it can be interpreted as _ne-stad_ rather than _nes-tad_, might it
contain _ne-_ 'in, inside' and a word derived from the hypothetical root
*stá/thá '*help, save' as found in _-star, -stámo_ [xii:391,
385], _-sáro_ (-thârô) [v:188]? Just a thought.

Regards, Matt Dinse



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Names from 'the Return of the Shadow' and 'the Treason of Isengard'
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 05:00:00 PM »

Matthew Dinse wrote:

> If it can be interpreted as _ne-stad_ rather than _nes-tad_, might it
> contain _ne-_ 'in, inside' and a word derived from the hypothetical
> root *stá/thá '*help, save' as found in _-star, -stámo_ [xii:391,
> 385], _-sáro_ (-thârô) [v:188]? Just a thought.

This is certainly a possibility, provided that *sta- rather than
*tha- as seen in _ndani-thârô_ 'saviour of the Dani' was already
current at that time (_Rómestámo_ is from an essay Christopher
Tolkien dates 1972-73(!) (pm:377)); and also provided that the root
is indeed *sta-/*tha- rather than *thar-. Of course, _Rómestámo_
clearly points at *sta-, but the earlier _thârô_ might be from *thar-
with the suffix _-ô_.

I will note this, thanks!


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