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Winterhavik

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Green Eggs and Ham
« on: July 25, 2012, 05:00:00 PM »

 Nai Alasse tien!

Does anyone have any ideas on neo-Quenya words for eggs and ham? (I am
translating Dr. Seuss...)

Currently I'm thinking to use the latin word with Quenya pluralizing.
'Ovar' for eggs. For ham I can only think of apsa 'cooked meat'.

Also a grammar question. The phrase 'Nas mara nin' -It is good to me -
used for liking something. Would this change to a plural if the question
concerns more than one item?

Nas mara nin laique ovar ar apsa? Or would it be

Nat mara nin laique ovar ar apsa?

Thanks,

Evan



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Helge Klåre Fauskanger

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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 05:00:00 PM »

 > Does anyone have any ideas on neo-Quenya words for eggs and
 > ham? (I am
Translating Dr. Seuss...)
> Currently I'm thinking to use the latin word with Quenya pluralizing.
'Ovar' for eggs. For ham I can only think of apsa 'cooked meat'.

In early 'Qenya', the word for 'egg' was _ohte_ (ql:69).

'Ham' -- well, if we don't shy away from compounding Qenya and Quenya,
we can speak of _polcahráve_, pig-flesh.

> Also a grammar question. The phrase 'Nas mara nin' -It is good to me
- Used for liking something. Would this change to a plural if the
  question concerns more than one item?

We must assume that it becomes plural 'nar máre nin' (are good to me)
with a plural subject or several subjects.

- Hkf



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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 05:00:00 PM »

Thanks very much Helge, especially for ohte. The grammar for Nas máre
nin is a bit of a puzzlement to me. I had imagined that 'nas' was
'na+s' meaning 'it is' in which the 's' stood for sa. (Sort of like
'nes' he/she/it was).  Any further explanation on this form?

Thanks again

Ew



Helge Klåre Fauskanger wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any ideas on neo-Quenya words for eggs and
> > ham? (I am
> Translating Dr. Seuss...)
> > Currently I'm thinking to use the latin word with Quenya
> > pluralizing.
> 'Ovar' for eggs. For ham I can only think of apsa 'cooked meat'.
>
> In early 'Qenya', the word for 'egg' was _ohte_ (ql:69).
>
> 'Ham' -- well, if we don't shy away from compounding Qenya and
> Quenya, we can speak of _polcahráve_, pig-flesh.
>
> > Also a grammar question. The phrase 'Nas mara nin' -It is good to me
> - Used for liking something. Would this change to a plural if the
>   question concerns more than one item?
>
> We must assume that it becomes plural 'nar máre nin' (are good to me)
> with a plural subject or several subjects.
>
> - Hkf
>



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Green Eggs and Ham
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 05:00:00 PM »

Aiya meldori eldaiva,

Just for the fun of it here is the first part of Dr. Seuss' Green
Eggs and Ham.

Some word notes:

Nás mara nin 'I like it', literally *'it is good to me' (vt49:30; read
mára for mara?) Aiména from ména noun 'region' (men) plus 'ai'
abstracted from from Aiquen - anyone. Ehte, egg - plural ehti hacca -
buttocks, hams yo  'and', 'often used between two items (of any part of
speech) that were by nature or custom clearly associated, like the names
of spouses (Manwë yo Varda), or 'sword and sheath' (*macil yo vainë),
'bow and arrows' (*quinga yo pilindi), or groups like 'Elves and Men'
(Eldar yo Fírimor)

Laique ehti yo hacca


Ni na sam               I am Sam   Sam ni na               Sam I am

Ta Sam-ni-na    That Sam-I-am Ta Sam-ni-na    That Sam-I-am! Lá nás mara
nin         I do not like Ta Sam-ni-na    that Sam-I-am


Ma nás mara len Do you like laique ehti yo hacca    green eggs and ham
Sam-ni-na?              Sam-I-am?                   Lá nás mara nin I do
not like             laique ehti yo hacca.   Green eggs and ham.



Would you like them     Ma meruvalyet Here or there?  Si hya ta?


I would not like them   lá meruvanyet here or there.  Si hya ta. I would
not like them   lá meruvanyet anywhere.               Aiména. I do not
like   lá nás mára nin green eggs and ham.     Laique ehti yo hacca. I
do not like them,     lá nás mara nin Sam-I-am                Sam-ni-na.

Would you like them     Ma meruvalyet in a house?     Mi coa? Would you
like them     Ma meruvalyet with a mouse?   As roa? (Dog)


I do not like them      lá meruvanyet in a house.     Mi coa. I do not
like them      lá meruvanyet with a mouse.   As roa.

I do not like them      lá meruvanyet here or there.  Si hya ta. I do
not like them      lá meruvanyet Anywhere.               Aiména. (Any
region) I do not like green eggs and ham.       Lá nás mara nin
laique ehti yo hacca I do not like them, Sam-I-am.           Lá nás
mara nin, Sam-ni-na


Would you eat them      Ma  matuvalyet in a box?                  Mi
colco? Would you eat them      Ma matuvalyet with a fox?     As
polco? (Pig)

Not in a box.   Lá mi colco. Not with a fox. Lá as polco. Not in a
house. Lá mi coa. Not with a mouse.       Lá as roa.


I would not eat them here or there.     Lá matuvanyet si hya ta. I would
not eat them anywhere.             Lá matuvanyet aiména. I would not eat
green eggs and ham.     Lá matuvanye Laique ehti yo hacca I do not like
them, Sam-I-am.           Lá nat mara nin, Sam-ni-na.

Would you? Could you?           Ma nauval? Ma poluval? In a car?
Mi norolle? (Cart) Eat them! Eat them!             Mata te! Mata te!
Here they are.          Si nar te.


I would not ,           lá nauvan, could not,
poluvan in a car.                       Mi norolle.

You may like them.              Ce nás mára len. You will see.
Cenuval. You may like them               Ce nás mára len. In a tree?
Mi alda? I would not, could not in a tree.       Lá nauvan, poluvan mi
alda Not in a car! You let me be.            Lá mi norolle! Heca le!

I do not like them in a box.            Lá nás mára nin mi colco I do
not like them with a fox           lá nás mára nin mi polco I do not
like them in a house           lá nás mára nin mi coa I do not like them
with a mouse            lá nás mára nin mi roa I do not like them here
or there.       Lá nás mára nin mi si hya ta I do not like them
anywhere.            Lá nás mára nin mi aiména I do not like green eggs
and ham.       Lá nás mára nin laique ehti you hacca I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.           Lá nás mára nin Sam-ni-na

A train! A train!    Ulumpe! Ulumpe! (Camel) a train! A train!
Ulumpe! Ulumpe! Could you, would you    Ma Polil, meril on a train?
Ulumpesse?

Not on a train! Not in a tree!          Lá ulumpesse! Lá aldaresse Not
in a car! Sam! Let me be!           Lá norollesse! Sam! Heca le! I would
not, could not, in a box.       Lá nauvan, poluvan, mi colco. I could
not, would not, with a fox.     Lá nauvan, poluvan as polco I will not
eat them with a mouse                   lá matuvanyet as roa. I will not
eat them in a house.         Lá matuvanyet mi coa. I will not eat them
here or there.      Lá matuvanyet si hya ta. I will not eat them
anywhere.           Lá matuvanyet aiména I do not like them, Sam-I-am.
Lá nás mára nin Sam-ni-na


Say!            á queta! In the dark?    I morniesse? Here in the dark!
Sina mi I mornie? Would you, could you, Nauval, poluval, in the dark?
I morniesse?

I would not, could not, lá nauvan, poluvan, in the dark.    I morniesse

Would you, could you,   Ma nauval, poluval in the rain?    Mi mistesse?



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